THE NEW CANON 5DS: http://photorumors.com/2015/01/30/this-is-the-new-50mp-canon-eos-5ds-eos-5ds-r-full-frame-dslr-camera/

 

YOUR OPINIONS?

50 MP? WOW!

Yeah Robert, that is what I was thinking. I wonder how much this model is going to cost. 50 MP? I must have it.....

I do not thinkl that for a street guy like me 50 MP are really needful. Working with a 80 MP sensor i know what it means. But impressive is that with 50MP 5/s shots are possible. I think a bit different for it.

The new Canons have been discussed entirely @dpreview forums - and the fact is, the sensor does indeed have 50 MP, 50.6 MP exactly, but in terms of DR, color depth & iso score, it's way mediocre compared to Sony/Nikon based sensors, and also DPR stated that this 50 MP sensor wouldn't match the A7R or for instance Nikon D8x0 series into the above way - also, diffraction kicks into way early because of the smaller pixel pitch - It's something for posers, nothing more, nothing less with other words, what good are 50 MP if it can't match the IQ of a D810 or A7R? no offence - but it'sa kinda joke, even more because very few Canon EF lenses can't even resolve 25 MP....

 

Why do ppl buy in 2015 still Canon gear is a miracle - unless you've got very much L-Lenses, there is absolutely no way to buy into the Canon System, with it's always inferior, mediocre Sensor performance compared to the whole competition, period.

Hi Marc

 

You make some excellent points. Agree on the new Canon sensor, still trying to figure it out, more MP but not sure about higher quality, Would like to use one to see for myself .... unlikely it will happen.

 

Currently using the Sony A7 II and the S. Lenses wise, Sony does not have many for the new camera, the 55 1.8, 16-35 4.0 and 70-200 4.0 can say are very sharp and produce excellent images. Hopefully more will be coming.

 

The announcement for the new A9 or not sure what they will call, should be out soon. Expected to be announced at the CP+ show, ends today and no announcement. Will be interesting when it comes out !!

 

al

Hi Alfred,

 

yes, the 16-35/4 is an excellent choice as landscape lens, i'm saving money to get this bad boy also sooner or later... ;)

 

I do have many legacy glas, so mf lenses, zooms & primes, so too less lenses is not a problem with e.Mount, whereas you could virtually adapt everything - and i meant really almost every lens by adapter.

 

The 55/1.8 is one of the best prime lenses you can buy at the moment, just right.

I do have many legacy lenses from contax zeiss, konica hexanon ar, yashica ml (also c/y mount) minolta md glas, M42 and others, for instance.

 

Sony didn't announce any new cameras at the Yokohama CP+ Fair, i think they want the full acknoledgement, when they'd come out with the for example APS-C A7000 HighEnd DSLM, or of course the Sony A9, or A7R II....

 

I really won't need >24 MP, i'm way fine with 12 to 16 MP, and even the 20 MP from my A3000 are keeping my old Quadcore way busy, it's just more a problem with the 24 MP RAW Files from my A7.

 

I'd upgrade my PC someday this year, but i do have earlier some other problems to resolve, so the PC is not the important task right now for me, whileas my D90, D7000 still does make fine shots.

 

Greetings

marc

 

Hi Marc

 

I spoke with Clyde Butcher this past weekend at his gallery, he is a large format landscape photographer. Now he has turned to Sony Cameras :) Physically he is unable to use a large format. He used an 11x14 and larger :)

 

For the Sony, he is using Cambo bellows :) amazing results. Only used fixed manual lenses, he tapes the focusing ring to a preset setting, mostly Zeiss, Voigtlander and others. Has no purple fringing problems since all ends up black and white. Has some twelve foot prints you need to see !!!

 

For some of the panos, will just displace the lens (use movements) keeping the camera still, can go up, down, left and right !! ..nine separate images. Have not gotten into bellows but thinking about it. Did lots of large format shooting.

 

al

Hi al,

 

sounds very interesting. About landscape photography: i'd think; what would ansel adams do?

 

Afaik he had a 4x5 Medium Format Camera, and he was only 18 with his first long trip....amazing.

 

John Huszar interviewed Adams for his 1981 film, Ansel Adams: Photographer. Adams recalled:

 

"Well, people have asked me what kind of cameras I used. It's hard to remember all of them. Oh I had a box Brownie #1 in 1915, 16. I had the Pocket Kodak, and a 4 x 5 view, all batted down. I had a Zeiss Milliflex. A great number of different cameras. I want to try to get back to 35 millimeter, which I did a lot of in the 1930s. Using one of the Zeiss compacts. In the 20s and into the 30s, I would carry a 6-1/2 x 8-1/2 glass plate camera -- that was a little heavy. And I had a 4 x 5 camera, then of course we went to film, to film pack, things became a little simpler.

 

"But William Henry Jackson and [Carleton] Watkins were all over this country with much bigger cameras. Wet plate cameras. And I believe it was Jackson's series of pictures on the top of Mt. Hoffman, with wet plates, that is, having to take the darkroom, cook the plates on the spot, expose and process them immediately. For the wet plate process you have to complete the development of the image before the emulsion dries. And when the dry plate came in it was a great godsend. I guess we all did the best as we could. If we had very heavy cameras we simply didn't go so far or take so many pictures. Knowing what I know now, any photographer worth his salt could make some beautiful things with pinhole cameras."

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ansel/sfeature/sf_packing.html

 

My respect goes for these guys still shooting wet plates on glas still in 2015 - that is something completely different to DSLR & DSLMs nowadays...

 

Marc

 

 

It's far away from wow Robert, it's a crappy sensor with mediocre DR, ISO Performance and Color Depth than for instance the 36 MP Sony Sensor, which is currently used inside the A7R, D8x0 Series. Apart the Pixelcount, this Canon Sensor is way inferior to the competition. And Sony would kick ass with their expected 50 MP Fullframe Sensor, perhaps into a upcoming A7R II or A9 Series.

 

Marc,

 

Why so aggressive?

 

I don't think it's legitimate to compare the 36 MP sensors with the 50 MP Canon sensor. As long as the 50 MP siblings from Sony and Nikon are not available, any comparision is idle speculation.

 

And even if the Canon sensor will not be as good, it's anything but crap. I for sure would be happy to shoot with a 5DS (R)... :-)

 

BTW, we all know that a camera is more than its sensor.

 

Cheers,

Johannes

 

Sorry Johannes, i am just personal fed up with Canon for at least since 2007 - because their sensors have been since that year always being mediocre compared to Nikon, Sony, Pentax - the whole Competition. Further, Canon managed it to (with very slight mods) to install their crappy, because of being a very old 18 MP sensor since the EOS 550D 'til their latest 1200D absolute Beginners DSLR - and this sucks big balls, if the people are just too dumb, always buying old whine in new sleeves, it's not my problem. Just with their new 750D/760D, Canon finally managed after 5 years (!!!) to join the competition with their new 24 MP Sensor - but we'll all new that this new sensor also can't compete with the best from Sony, Nikon & Co - and that is why Canon sucks before and after releasing it, the same goes for the new 50 MP 5DS(R) series,

no offence.

 

Since the 5D Original back into 2005 - Canon doesn't have anything greatly invented.

 

I wouldn't be happy shooting a 50 MP sensor, knowing that the DR, ISO performance and Color Depth would be already sub-pair compared to the 36 MP Sony Sensor - and this is what DPR wrote and others onto the net, so you can be quite sure, because i trust only DPR, photozone, lens rentals, and 1-2 more websites about photography onto the net, many others are just writing crap, period.

 

As for 50 MP on Fullframe - diffraction would already kick into at F/4, but at last at F/5.6 - sorry, that is no more photography the classical way, Johannes - and another reason, while this sucks. At 50 MP, you should go with a Medium Format sensor, that screams Pentax 645Z at least, but no more small Fullframe sensors compared to this...just my 2 cents....

 

Cheers

Marc

I agree with Marc on this one. I also can confirm using the D810 now for around 2 weeks. Its for landscape clickers and studio issues. For street the camera does not perform well even with a faster AF. Most of the shots not sharp enough compare with a D4.

 

As for canon i use the 6D only for the famous 50mm f1,2 and knowing now canon which is anyway much slower as an D4 i cannot imagine that a 50 mpix sensor will be the bright future of canon.

 

The Nikon D750 for example feels more like a toy camera and is not more then a D610 with a bigger sensor.

 

As for the Sony A7 II which is a good camera i will have the problem of the lens system which is not as good as it should be.

 

Just my thoughts!

 

;D

@Johannes,

 

Yes, Cock Rennwell....as many guys wrote onto the net.... huh.... the Guy who shoots always JPEG only...hilarious. ;-)

 

Robert, you need perhaps to shoot legacy lenses. The D750 is a way fine DSLR,

much better then a D6x0 series, and especially with 51 Point AF, the D6x0 does use the DX 39 Point AF System, from the D5x00 and D7x00 Series, which sucks really. But the D750 is not a Toy Camera.

 

I have a lot legacy glas from the Contax Zeiss, Minolta, Konica etc. Era.....and that lenses are doing great onto the A7.

 

I'd get myself a used D700, because 12 MP is enough for myself, and i still love the somewhat bigger, heavy D700 Body.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

As for the record, i do like the now "classic" 5D way much, because it does have enough MP (12.x) and a somewhat unique-art of rendering photographs.

 

Earnestly, what are we talking about here? About Canons new sensor? About general physical limitations of 50 MP FF sensors? About Canon strategies? About the credibility of websites devoted to photography? About the appropriateness of 36+ MP cameras for street photography? About continuous shooting speed? About shot discipline? ;-)

 

@ Marc:

 

You're right, quite recently Canon doesn't have the edge over its competitors when it comes to sensors. That's one of the reasons why I never gave their cameras a serious consideration. Sony seems to have the lead here, as the A7 shows. (And Nikon uses their sensors, too.) If I had complete confidence in Sonys strategy, I would already have bought one... But why being upset? No one forces you to get a Canon. Enjoy your Sony camera and let those 'dumb' people buy old wine in new sleeves. ;-)

 

Moreover the Canon 5DS (R) is a niche product for studio and landscape photographers, it's not a general-purpose camera. That is what the 5D IV will be designed for.

 

You raised the general disadvantages of a 50 MP sensor. Won't they apply to a new Sony 50 MP FF sensor, too?

 

As for DPReview, I appreciate the extensive technical background information they provide. But I nevertheless treat it with caution, knowing they were acquired by Amazon several years ago. BTW, DPR gave the A7R the same overall score as the 5D MkIII. And the A7 a lower score than the 6D... ;-)

 

And here's what DPR writes about the 5DS (R): "As far as dynamic range is concerned, WE'RE TOLD THAT the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III." That's my point: Pure speculation.

 

@ Robert:

 

There are photographers who use the D810 for street to great success. Ming Thein comes to my mind...

 

The D750 can't be the D610 with a bigger sensor, actually they share the same sensor. (https://photographylife.com/nikon-d750-vs-d610)

 

And in some cases even a toy camera can tick all boxes, in other words I'm quite happy with my D610. ;-)

 

Cheers,

Johannes

 

 

Ahem, no, it doesn't suck, at least not for my part. ;-)

 

@Johannes

 

Wisely spoken, truly right. Well, as i wrote into a previous post, 50 MP is indeed only for portrait/fashion art studio work, or landscape photography. The Thing is, diffraction kicks into very early, because of the small pixel pitch, and too many MPs only a FF sensor, therefore i'd recommand a medium format camera, if you'd ever need or exceed the need for 50 MP....that's my statement about it.

 

As for DPR, i know they've been bought by Amazon some years ago, and i was also not the only person being upset, or better said angry, because of the Canon's

Beginner Fullframe 6D scored too high for my taste there.

 

Anyway, we'd all know that the sensor inside the A7/A7 II is much better, and i am happy to shoot occasionally with my A7, because my just everyday setup is the D7000 & Tamron 17-50/2.8 with no AF or VC, or D90 Body with that lens, and even they're both DX(APS-C) and not fullframe, one could get way nice pictures out of it.

 

Into the End, it doesn't really matter what you're shooting with, as long as you know how to handle your gear, and the best camera is always that one with you.

 

cheers

marc

Of course, the 5DR(S) will fit only a small niche, and for general photography, the 5D IV when it comes will be widely avialable for the public. I do have some Canon Powershot compacts, and i still love the old, rusty, but goldie 5D Mark I...so it's not that i completely hate the brand - it's just that i feel...Canon rips of their customers always with new iterations, but marginally changed things, so old whine into new sleeves...why can't they develop their sensors to match the DR & IQ from a typical Sony or Nikon Sensors, that's why i am questioning myself since 2007....instead, we'd see constantly a flow of new bodies using always the same and same old sensor...'til now, when Canon finally developed their own 24 MP APS-C, first introduced into the EOS 750D & 760D Beginners DSLR.

 

(I don't call them enthusiast DSLR, because for this, one or both of them new DSLRs should feature a true glas pentaprism - and not just a ordinary, cheap & dark pentamirror viewfinder - oh, and it also must & should feature AF microadjust settings, which both new Canon DSLRs also doesn't feature - a thing that truly shows myself that Canon have had developed both these new DSLR just for beginners, because if you shoot Zooms with F/2.8 or fast primes with /or around

F/1.4, you truly need Micro AF Adjust via Menue Settings)

 

Just my 0.02 EUR....

Marc

 

It matters with what you are shooting! :-)

Marc,

 

May I ask why the D7000 (along with the Tamron) is your everyday setup? Isn't the A7 (together with a light prime lens) just perfect for taking it along with you? Especially if you're using MF most of the time?

 

To my mind Sony has created something truely innovative with the A7 product line. If they keep enhancing the bodies and - more importantly - introducing new lenses (portrait lens, where are you), my interest in that cameras won't go away... ;-)

 

Cheers,

Johannes

 

I've thought like you many years ago - Robert. But Gear is just a Tool,

nothing more, nothing less! You can also shoot with a disposable film camera,

or with a Kodak Bronie, or a Holga Box for instance - and make good photographs

from a composition point of view, not from a technical side.

 

I've seen shots from a D90, much better than other guys with way expensive fullframe equipment. Gear doesn't matter - if you know to handle your gear right.

 

 

Very easy explained Johannes - i am not one of the lucky people, which could buy instantly a new Camera, say A7, when it might get damaged, so therefore i use my A7 carefully & seldom, and do must of my shots with the D7000, even -yes, you got my on this one- i do love to shoot with MF primes & zooms much more than rather with the Tamron 17-50/2.8, but for example, the Tammi is a much underestimated lens, for instance, it's quite -much- better then my fullframe Sigma 24-70/2.8 EX DG for EF Canon mount.

 

Cheers,

Marc

For example, if you read the test here:

 

http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/637-tamron175028d7000

 

you'll see that the 17-50/2.8 Tamron is even better than the Original Nikon DX AF-S 17-55/2.8 lens, and it does also beat easily the Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 and Sigma 17-50/2.8 lens, because it does have no OSM, VR, VC, but it's sharper at the edges of the frame, even at open aperture.

 

I do have the version without built-in AF motor, which is even a bit better than this lens, because i do own both - the DX version for Nikon with AF, and the one without.

 

A comparsion lens for full frame would be the Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC then, which costs a lot more, but therefore it's fullframe then, not DX/APS-C Format.

 

And that fullframe Tamron is easily better than the 28-70/2.8 Canon L USM Lens,

but not better than the Canon L 24-70 II L USM Lens in terms of bokeh & sharpness.

 

Everything comes at a price....like all things in life...i'm way happy with that DX Setup, whileas i have enough fast primes and also Zooms from the MF Era for my A7.

 

Cheers,

marc